Curse

DarklingKiller · Jun 09, 2008, 04:10 AM // 04:10

Seems to me that A-net is trying to kill their own game... Ursan, SF, what's next?

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Originally Posted by EinherjarMx

thats 23.5 ecto an hour, you must be very lucky

Hey dude how's it going?

Vitues · Jun 09, 2008, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by EinherjarMx

thats 23.5 ecto an hour, you must be very lucky

Which on average takes around 20-25 mins per run yeah. Pretty Much

EinherjarMx · Jun 09, 2008, 05:40 AM // 05:40

i'm only making 10-12 a hour and thats because i aggro 2 groups at a time (4 groups total)

i should try aggroing more mindblades

@DarklingKiller: sup dude ^^

Rhamia Darigaz · Jun 09, 2008, 06:21 AM // 06:21

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Originally Posted by The Red Messenger

thats fine...

for every 100 people who merch em, lowering the price of ectos, theres another 1000 people who buy at trader when it hits 4.8, putting it right back to 5.5. this is why i believe ecto prices are safe.

qtf. ecto prices are extremely stable, which is why they make a good substitue currency. i really can't see ecto prices plummeting like a lot of ppl seem to expect.

Div · Jun 09, 2008, 06:31 AM // 06:31

Why are people crying about overpowered skills in PvE again? The economy is already dead.

ogre_jd · Jun 09, 2008, 12:06 PM // 12:06

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Why are people crying about overpowered skills in PvE again? The economy is already dead.

And by that you obviously mean "There's almost nothing slightly uncommon that I can sell for 100 platinum + globs of ectoplasm anymore".

Yichi · Jun 09, 2008, 01:30 PM // 13:30

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd

And by that you obviously mean "There's almost nothing slightly uncommon that I can sell for 100 platinum + globs of ectoplasm anymore".

no meaning that the community cried when SF was nerfed, now that its buffed, they cry because they can't sell something ub3r rar3 for mad cash anymore and others will have one that previously didn't and we can't have that...

Stockholm · Jun 09, 2008, 03:42 PM // 15:42

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Originally Posted by DarklingKiller

Seems to me that A-net is trying to kill their own game... Ursan, SF, what's next?

Seams to me that A-Net have woken up and realised GW is a game for ALL players, not only a small click of players.
The majority of players are very happy, the rest can take a hike or get a real life. BTW. ectos are worthless when GW2 comes.

maraxusofk · Jun 09, 2008, 08:47 PM // 20:47

lol gw economy is already destroyed. everyone rich has everything they need and the most desired items are those that no longer drop and hoarded. most ppl with extremely rare tyrian 15>50 crystallines, r7's, or unconditionals have quit. to my knowledge, i believe todeshand is one of the few ppl still playing wit those rare weapons.

Yawgmoth · Jun 09, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

You can say that GW economy is already destroyed (I don't disagree), but believe me, it can still get MUCH worse than it is.
Allowing overfarm of ectos at stupidly high rates is easily a step in that way.

Snow Bunny · Jun 09, 2008, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

You can say that GW economy is already destroyed (I don't disagree), but believe me, it can still get MUCH worse than it is.
Allowing overfarm of ectos at stupidly high rates is easily a step in that way.

Yawg, this might be a a rarity where I disagree with you.

Prices for various things (weapons namely) haven't escalated significantly.

The only thing that's gone up in price are the Sup Shadow Arts runes. Everything else has remained stable.

People are throwing money around, buying power has increased. All in all, I'm (scary, I know) inclined to believe that buffing SF to stupid levels has resulted in an economic boon.

MisterT69 · Jun 09, 2008, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Yawg, this might be a a rarity where I disagree with you.

Prices for various things (weapons namely) haven't escalated significantly.

The only thing that's gone up in price are the Sup Shadow Arts runes. Everything else has remained stable.

People are throwing money around, buying power has increased. All in all, I'm (scary, I know) inclined to believe that buffing SF to stupid levels has resulted in an economic boon.

I also think this is becoming pretty fair to the noobs who only a few weeks ago were never able to buy ub3r rare weps like crystallines and voltaic spears. But now, this repetitive farming has made it easy for these people to buy them and thus, begins to strengthen the "middle class" of the GW economy and the "high class" is slowly losing its ub3r mega pwn h4x skillz, because now those req 8's and FoW armor they worked so hard to show off to everyone is now a common item. And if the majority a.k.a the middle class is happy, what's A-net going to do? agree with the l33ts and nerf all PVE to hell to satisfy a handful of people? I don't think A-net's gonna do that.

Yawgmoth · Jun 09, 2008, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Well, we can observe invigoration in the economy at the moment, there's a very high demand for assassin runes, elite sin tomes sell exceptionally well even with how much they're overfarmed, and other misc. sin items started to sell really well (I sold a bunch of random gold daggers and 5x 20% enchanting mod for daggers this week I had lying around for months)

Also, people who never had bigger money were able to make a couple hundred plat with this easy farm, this also provides fresh new buying power to the market.

Everything seems great... no negative effects are visible right now. I haven't observed any panic among high-end traders and ecto holders ingame. Ecto prices are still stable, people still buy large quantities at 4700-4800 each, just like a month or two ago. The demand for ectos is still huge. The market for ectos hasn't saturated yet but the real massive farming hasn't even started!

Thousands of players are making their sins right now! I've seen lots of clueless sins in ToA who don't even know the build, or keep failing at it miserably (lol).
There are still huge masses of middle-class and semi-rich players who don't even know about the whole thing. I've talked with people I traded with this weekend (I traded alot, big volume trades), and the general knowledge about the issue is close to nonexistant.

But it won't last long this way, it just can't. If no nerfs happen, ectos will lose their buying power on the market. The demand for them will stay high for a long time but the supply will only multiply. Anyone who has at least basic economic knowledge and who has seen the rates at which ectos can now be easily produced should realise that FoW armor/Choaos Gloves will be far more accessible for the masses than ever, but the true rare items won't.

I predict a crash coming in no later than 3 weeks from now if no nerf happens, but we will see If I was right.

Nightow · Jun 09, 2008, 11:49 PM // 23:49

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Originally Posted by MisterT69

I also think this is becoming pretty fair to the noobs who only a few weeks ago were never able to buy ub3r rare weps like crystallines and voltaic spears. But now, this repetitive farming has made it easy for these people to buy them and thus, begins to strengthen the "middle class" of the GW economy and the "high class" is slowly losing its ub3r mega pwn h4x skillz, because now those req 8's and FoW armor they worked so hard to show off to everyone is now a common item. And if the majority a.k.a the middle class is happy, what's A-net going to do? agree with the l33ts and nerf all PVE to hell to satisfy a handful of people? I don't think A-net's gonna do that.

They've been doing this slowly at first (CoF Rt or Mo 600/smite <3 ) but the SF update was the real deal breaker for the "middle class".

Snow Bunny · Jun 09, 2008, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

Well, we can observe invigoration in the economy at the moment, there's a very high demand for assassin runes, elite sin tomes sell exceptionally well even with how much they're overfarmed, and other misc. sin items started to sell really well (I sold a bunch of random gold daggers and 5x 20% enchanting mod for daggers this week I had lying around for months)

Also, people who never had bigger money were able to make a couple hundred plat with this easy farm, this also provides fresh new buying power to the market.

Everything seems great... no negative effects are visible right now. I haven't observed any panic among high-end traders and ecto holders ingame. Ecto prices are still stable, people still buy large quantities at 4700-4800 each, just like a month or two ago. The demand for ectos is still huge. The market for ectos hasn't saturated yet but the real massive farming hasn't even started!

Thousands of players are making their sins right now! I've seen lots of clueless sins in ToA who don't even know the build, or keep failing at it miserably (lol).
There are still huge masses of middle-class and semi-rich players who don't even know about the whole thing. I've talked with people I traded with this weekend (I traded alot, big volume trades), and the general knowledge about the issue is close to nonexistant.

But it won't last long this way, it just can't. If no nerfs happen, ectos will lose their buying power on the market. The demand for them will stay high for a long time but the supply will only multiply. Anyone who has at least basic economic knowledge and who has seen the rates at which ectos can now be easily produced should realise that FoW armor/Choaos Gloves will be far more accessible for the masses than ever, but the true rare items won't.

I predict a crash coming in no later than 3 weeks from now if no nerf happens, but we will see If I was right.

I must admit, it's an interesting prediction.
Part of me wants to agree, but I recall when the E/Me terra farmer first came out, which was able to take out Smites in 10 minutes, people were going insane over it. I think you're getting the same effect here.
Furthermore, when ecto first took its serious descent, constantly falling from 9 to 8 to 7 to 6 and finally settling in the 5-6 range, people predicted it'd go to 3. It would take a much greater influx of ecto into the market. Also - unless everyone begins to unload onto the trader, ecto retains its price. As long as it switches hands between players, it'll stay around where it's at.

Hopefully, at least.

Chthon · Jun 10, 2008, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

The demand for them will stay high for a long time but the supply will only multiply. Anyone who has at least basic economic knowledge and who has seen the rates at which ectos can now be easily produced...I predict a crash coming in no later than 3 weeks from now if no nerf happens.

The increased ecto production coming from this farm is, I think, very tiny compared to the huge number of ectos already out there from 3 years of nonstop farming and hoarding (including a solo plains A/Me build that worked before the buff). While the rate at which the supply grows has changed dramatically, the supply itself is only growing a tiny bit faster than if SF had not been buffed.

If anything is going to cause a collapse in the ecto price, it's going to be a crisis of confidence brought on by people panicking, selling off their ecto holdings into a falling market, and buying up lockpicks or Z-Keys or armbraces or whatever. Which would be one of those ironic self-fulfilling prophecy things.

Mac Sidewinder · Jun 10, 2008, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

Well, we can observe invigoration in the economy at the moment, there's a very high demand for assassin runes, elite sin tomes sell exceptionally well even with how much they're overfarmed, and other misc. sin items started to sell really well (I sold a bunch of random gold daggers and 5x 20% enchanting mod for daggers this week I had lying around for months)

Also, people who never had bigger money were able to make a couple hundred plat with this easy farm, this also provides fresh new buying power to the market..

So it is having a positive effect then.

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

Everything seems great... no negative effects are visible right now. I haven't observed any panic among high-end traders and ecto holders ingame. Ecto prices are still stable, people still buy large quantities at 4700-4800 each, just like a month or two ago. The demand for ectos is still huge. The market for ectos hasn't saturated yet but the real massive farming hasn't even started!

How do you know this? Do you think it will keep swelling and swelling untill everybody is farming the UW? Pure speculation - not everyone is willing or likes to farm in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

Thousands of players are making their sins right now! I've seen lots of clueless sins in ToA who don't even know the build, or keep failing at it miserably (lol).
There are still huge masses of middle-class and semi-rich players who don't even know about the whole thing. I've talked with people I traded with this weekend (I traded alot, big volume trades), and the general knowledge about the issue is close to nonexistant.

Again speculation. How could you possible know that THOUSANDS of people are currently making sins for this purpose? I'm pretty sure that some people have done this but to say that there are THOUSANDS of new sins being made for the purpose of farming for ectos is your imagination talking. And if there are "lots of clueless sins failing miserably in TOA then maybe they will get tired of trying and quit.

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

But it won't last long this way, it just can't. If no nerfs happen, ectos will lose their buying power on the market. The demand for them will stay high for a long time but the supply will only multiply. Anyone who has at least basic economic knowledge and who has seen the rates at which ectos can now be easily produced should realise that FoW armor/Choaos Gloves will be far more accessible for the masses than ever, but the true rare items won't.

I predict a crash coming in no later than 3 weeks from now if no nerf happens, but we will see If I was right.

If the majority of ecto is being farmed for FoW armor/Choaos gloves then these ecto will be removed from the game, (as I suspect that the majority of people are doing this for). The only downside that this will cause is that more and more people will be able to obtain these items, making some of the "l33t" people who already had these cry foul, because it was easier.

The only way a "crash" would come is if people took their stacks and stacks of ecto and sold it to the trader (assuming that Anet doesn't have a minimum price set at the trader for ecto). If people continue to sell to other players then the trader is not involved at all and the price remains the same.

One of the benefits is that more and more people are able to purchase some things that they couldn't before. If you are farming ecto to gain wealth then simply sell it to other players till you max your gold storage. What do you really need more than a million gold for anyway?

What all you doomsayer people fail to realize is that this farm was possible BEFORE the sin buff. Ecto was being farmed this whole time, not just in the last month. The sky is not falling and the market won't crash.

This is just another "Oh noes" thread.

Mesmer in Need · Jun 10, 2008, 01:29 AM // 01:29

All the ursan threads keep getting closed, so they come here to qq now. /sigh
As far as I'm concerned, this gives a lot of new players the chance to farm their first set of fow (like me). This means ectos come from the uw, into a players storage, and back out to the forgemaster, not hurting the economy one bit.

Yawgmoth · Jun 10, 2008, 01:51 AM // 01:51

My speculating about THOUSANDS is based purely on facts - on the massive increase in demand for sin goods, on the number of new sins I see in Kaineng and earlier areas, and on rune trader looking like at Factions release 2 years ago.

I know this farm was possible before the update, but the fact is very few people knew about it then so it couldn't have any impact on whole game's economy. It's all the matter of scale, now it's turning into the number 1 farm for masses to do, and by far the most efficient one cash/time.
Example for comparison: When DoA was new and Titan gems were going for 100k or above there were people who could farm them and make big money selling them. Slowly the knowledge spreaded, I learned to solofarm them when they were around ~75k and made good good money on that. And when the knowledge became widely known so lots of people did that 1 or 2 or 3 man way, the price dropped below 25k and kept falling. Later Ursan came and the gems became cheap and common. And yes, whole DoA was completable before Ursan, but it was the imba skill that made puggy masses do it repeately, bringing the prices to where they are now.
Now another imba skills brings the masses to farm ectos faster than ever...

And if you think that players farming ectos for own use doesn't affect the economy then think about the same players farming something else for efficient money instead and buying the ectos from other players or trader. This DOES affect the demand for ectos, as players won't be as likely to buy what they can easily farm themselves.

Hyper Cutter · Jun 10, 2008, 03:31 AM // 03:31

It's hard to destroy an economy that's already dead, if it was ever alive to begin with...